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Poster: staggerleib Date: Jan 30, 2009 2:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Help!!! I can't stop!

Why is it that I cannot seem to stop myself. I have so much more music than I could possibly get through. I pride myself in having a wide array of tastes, and that my only real criteria is that there be some passion behind the music. I mean, I love The Ramones, and I love Genesis. There's a large space between, you know? But, it's all good.

So why is it that I can't go a day without listening to Jerry? I mean seriously. I have two crates of cassettes, and I just figured, somewhere around 1500 hours of Dead and another 300 of Jerry solo. I never tire.

Is this some sort of disease?

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jan 30, 2009 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help!!! I can't stop!

While I don't listen to Jerry every day, I Do have a super wide range of music I like, and I think the difference is this: there's only so much to be gleaned from repeated listenings of most music. After the 100th listen of "Blitzkrieg Bop", you've pretty much 'got it'. That doesn't mean you get sick of it or don't like it anymore, but that it's etched in your brain like the grooves on a record.

In the case of the GD, just listening to ONE VERSION of one song repeatedly can reveal new things with every listen. Not to mention, thanks to Archive (until someone ruins it for all) we have MULTIPLE VERSIONS of almost every GD song ever performed. In the case of common songs like "Sugar Magnolia" hundreds of versions (OMG...)

This post was modified by Styrofoam Cueball on 2009-01-30 22:28:15

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jan 30, 2009 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help!!! I can't stop!

Exactly. Sometimes you need to put on I wanna be Sedated or Sheena is a Punk Rocker

;~)

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Jan 30, 2009 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help!!! I can't stop!

listened today 2 2 boots from FREE (anybody remembers free?), 72-10-12 and 72-10-14. almost identical set lists, only 2 days apart, yet completely different performances and sound. fuckin awesome. same goes for zepp etc

it wasnt gd only for sure

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Jan 30, 2009 4:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help!!! I can't stop!

Pretty mainstream, but I tell you what gets me going these days... the Joe Walsh (with and without Eagles) tunes: Those Shoes, In The City, Walk Away, etc. Crank those up in the car stereo and I'm transported back to the '70's in terms of straight-ahead, heavy, loud rock. Boy we are digressing....

I actually totally agree with staggerleib, and can't really articulate the enduring appeal of the Grateful Dead. I think it has something to do with some mix of the following:

1) The more you know, the more you want to know. Once you're at a certain level of familiarity with a band, you want to hear EVERYTHING. For most bands, you get through everything pretty quickly. Not so in this case.

2) The imperfection make it's all the more appealing. In most versions, someone either misses a note, a lyric, or timing, or the mix isn't right, but all that improv, exploration, and variability means that there's always a chance for moments of brilliance. When those moments come, it's something to behold if you know how to appreciate it. Maybe this is what "searching for the sound" means.

3) Don't know how else to say it, but the band is genuine and real. As much as I love a band like the Rolling Stones, they are full of swagger and ego, and the contrast makes the Grateful Dead all the more appealing. They're like an old friend you can really connect with on a human level.

Many other reasons to be sure, but it's Friday afternoon and a Stone IPA is waiting for me at home - gotta go!

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jan 30, 2009 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help!!! I can't stop!

I love Joe Walsh too. I do most if not all of my non-Dead listening on my iPod when I have breaks during work and no time to listen to a 20-30 minute Dead jam. My Joe Walsh tracks on the Ipod contains Barnstorm & James Gang stuff like Take A Look Around, Funk #48, Funk # 49, The Bomber, Tend My Garden, Meadows, Welcome To The Club, Falling Down, Rocky Mountain Way, Happy Ways, Mother Says, Time Out and others. I also have a bunch of stuff by WAR, Leon Russell, Little Feat,
(pre-Michael McDonald) Doobie Brothers, Roy Orbison, The Band, and a whole bunch of others... and I don't want to ever stop. I don't want to hang up my rock and roll shoes.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jan 30, 2009 7:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: BECAUSE .....when things are left to chance....

it's rarely THAT GOOD -- it is only ever TANTALIZING.

see what i am saying? the grateful dead were just full of shortcomings and mistakes.... but they were ALWAYS so damn interesting.

i think the imperfection was part of the deal. not that they didn't want it to be always good.... they were professionals. but to get to those really exceptional spaces, the ones that keep us coming back for more, they incorporated chance into the design from the beginning.

because, when things are left to chance, anything can happen.



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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 30, 2009 8:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BECAUSE .....when things are left to chance....

So, how much credit goes to their fans, particularly early on, for allowing that chance - any? none? some? Seems like Deadheads from early on up until close to the end were incredibly forgiving about the missed cues, poor vocals, downright shit shows because when the magic happened nothing else ever even came remotely close for being in the moment. If the audience had not been willing to let them fail, and expected the rote note by note perfection of what they heard on the album, would we still be listening? Just a random thought after a long day that still finds me in the office...

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jan 30, 2009 9:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BECAUSE .....when things are left to chance....

well you said "audience" but i would say "scene". i think in this respect the dead were "scenesters". i think we might be on the same tip here, but the DEAD were exploiters. well, at the VERY LEAST, businessmen.

they WERE the shaman they seemed to be in those transcendent moments: they were there to enable an environment; to provide the atmosphere that would facilitate the scene. that is the genius, no? they would never be in this position if they could not deliver the GOODS.... and of course, they could.

they knew where the "next level" was. and they also knew, they could never go nonchalantly prancing in for no reason.

and so, from 69 onwards they played in measured intervals, that, in retrospect, they knew they could perpetuate ad infinitum.... they played it out for a quarter century. in human terms, an amazing effort.




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Poster: SoggeeJohnson Date: Jan 30, 2009 2:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help!!! I can't stop!

we all have some sort of addiction, don't we ?

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 30, 2009 3:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help!!! I can't stop!

just curious about what time frame of genesis you like. There was a post recently talking about the PG years. While the last part of the Phil Collins years sucked there are a lot of great moments with him as well. I think we associate him with The Disney soundtracks and forget Home by the sea, ect

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Jan 30, 2009 4:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help!!! I can't stop!

while it is true that I prefer Gabriel to Collins, and that the end of the band was never anything close to as satisfying as the beginning (can I get a shout out to The Lamb?), Collins was good. I believe that the turning point was when Steve Hackett left.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 30, 2009 4:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help!!! I can't stop!

I can't say that I'm a fan of land of confusion and invisible touch, ect. But the album that has That's all, home by the sea, and mama is really good. Still holds up today

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Jan 30, 2009 4:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help!!! I can't stop!

All the latter albums have good music. I listen to abacab and Duke still. The self titled disc less so. It just lost it's bite for me. But Home/Second Home is a good example of what they could do when they put their minds to it. Incidentally, those were mostly written by Banks/Rutherford. But truly good music.

I could pick out cuts from all the last albums, with probably the exception of the last one - with Ray Wilson, that are excellent pieces of music. But, compare that with Get 'Em out by Friday... For that matter, compare that stuff to anything Gabriel was doing at the time. Forgive me, but Gabriel is one of those rare and true artists that does what he does because that all he can do... Like some fat man who simply had to make music.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 30, 2009 4:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help!!! I can't stop!

I noticed a few interesting things about them in later years. The song Tonight, tonight, tonight is over 8 mins. Never knew it was that long. Times have changed. They'd never play that today.

Also there is a lot of mention that certain songs were turned down a key on certain tours due to Collins voice deepening. Did he have vocal problems during this time?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 30, 2009 7:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help!!! I can't stop!

Phil was GREAT in Brand X -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmP8NC2EOLE

almost make you forget su su susidio...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 31, 2009 4:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help!!! I can't stop!

wish I could link the actual scene, but the musical analysis in this movie is GREAT! F'n twisted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZZAhI5Z3LQ

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 30, 2009 7:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help!!! I can't stop!

"just say the word, oh...."